Please check your browser settings or contact your system administrator. At its height it boasted some 120 battlestars. I see the pegasus on ur list wut was she on the classic she seemed to b a newer of the same class as the galactica but in the new series she was bigger.....i was thinkin titan class. There was also little in automatic and many of the systems were manual in nature. Anyway, 120 seems to be the consensus as far as I can tell. This mock-up measured some 28.5ft (9m) in length and a wingspan of some 12.5ft (4m), and formed a means by which Boyce could take key shots from various episodes, combine them with a scale model of Galactica and extrapolate a reasonably-consistent set of measurements. (For contrast, in the Re-imagined Series continuity, it is stated at the start of the Miniseries that twelve battlestars were initially built during the Cylon War. Sounds very reasonable. So the GMP that would be saved by not building a black space navy would instead go it to lots and lots of fighters and small two manned craft designed to carry a heaver pay load than that of Viper and effectively become torpedo bombers. The Colonial Fleet was regarded by the Cylons to be a decisiv… the other option is to call the brown navy after the spectral class of the sun but on second thought I don't want to be know as the yellow navy. Oh well, I guess I have a “cold war” mentality, and my views were not shared by those who believed that the armistice would prevent further attacks. The length and beam figures given here are based on research carried out by Todd Boyce, a computer animator. I think so, but how many BS equal a SD? The Colonial Fleet also included modified Space Park vessels (although the single Space Park liner in Galactica's civilian Fleet is very likely a civilian liner) . This appeared to be supported by Encyclopedia Galactica, a non-canonical publication released in 1979. There were more of them and they were used for patrols and encountered the enemy…Only if the enemy felt confident, would they risk large fleet battles with the big boys.) Since the class is named after a ship, I knew one of them would have to be named Jupiter. More definitive research on the matter would need to take place before any claims such as it being "10% larger" could be verified since there are many factors to consider. Maybe they've mothballed theirs and we can procure them via unconventional means. They probably also had Expeditionary Strike Group again assuming scaling US equals one of the colonies each colony would have had approximately 10 Expeditionary Strike Group for the most part would probably consist of landing assault ship (amphibious assault ship) that mainly have assault shuttles2 and some vipers a space dock ship (Dock Landing Ship) a landing transport dock (Amphibious transport dock) and lastly some destroyers and frigates and again the BSG equivalent of an aegis cruiser. The Original Series began with 12 - one per colony world, with the Galactica representing Caprica. Much like our satellite network detects foreign navies around the world. Also, this value does coincide with John Dykstra's estimate that was quoted in vintage magazine articles of the period. Like its Original Series counterparts, almost all of these battlestars are destroyed in an elaborate Cylon subterfuge.). It should also be pointed out that a 39ft wingspan for the raider would yield an approximately 7ft wide cockpit - a bit tight for three Cylon Centurions to fit in. The Galactica is a model from the Galactica class of battlestar. During the series' run, only eight battlestars are seen or mentioned. You can also purchase tiers for the Battle Pass for 150 (V-Bucks) each. List of Battlestar Classes and Battlestar of those Classes. This may have allowed the Galactica to survive when virtually all of the other Battlestars were destroyed. This appeared to be supported by Encyclopedia Galactica, a non-canonical publication released in 1979. Many battlestars were totally destroyed during significant battles. The Galactica escaped the Fall and spent the next four or so years protecting the civilian fleet. 2. At the time of the Cylon holocaust, the Colonial Fleet includes approximately 120 battlestars, thousands of smaller vessels, numerous squadrons of Vipers and Raptors assigned to each, and various support ships . After the war most were mothballed, sold to other countries, or turned into artificial riefs. Originally 12, one per planet. Since the Cylon war many more Battlestars have been built and at the time of the attacks the Colonial fleet consisted of around 120 battlestars. The mock-up Viper is smaller and less detailed, hence, cheaper and easier to construct. The arc battlestars were able to launch Glorious Dawn Warlock rank attacks from hundreds of kilometers away, which was shocking to say the least. Terms of Service. The difference is (exactly) 10% resulting in a length of 10 m and a wingspan of 4.5-5 m. This brings the Battlestar to about 1400 m. Note by the researcher: The research page points out that there are proportional differences between the mock-up and the studio model of the Viper, and that the mock-up is used because it had definitive dimensions whereas the filming miniature does not. But then again, i might be wrong, and we just dont know how to use them. The Pegasus is from the newer Mercury class of battlestar. I would really appreciate hearing the devs input on this issue. Ultimately these are not "fatal assumptions" in the research, nor can research be "thrown out" since it is impossible to determine a truly accurate measurement of the ship with multiple valid sources of conflicting evidence. PS The B&W photo above should be credited to Phil Broad. However, Glen A. Larson has stated that there was never any decision to have a specific number of battlestars, nor did the Original Series state that only twelve battlestars were built. That is unfortunately not the case. I'm not sure what the equivalent of "brown space navy" would be...I guess planet based forces...and in that case you might also have carriers conveniently positioned on the oceans, and a blue and brown navy as well. there were a 120 battlestars as during the mini i believe colonel tigh mentions that 40 battlestars have been destroyed and that starbuck says thats a 1/3 of the fleet making it 120 which sounds right due to the cultural significance in battlestar galactica of the number 12 Who said the whole fleet was comprised of battlestars? MICHAEL HOGAN IS BETTER KNOWN IN THE BSG RDM WORLD AS THE HEADSTRONG, GALACTICA XO COLONEL SAUL TIGH!! There have been at least two battlestars to bear the name Columbia in the Colonial Fleet. Boyce also used close-up shots of Viper launches to try and calculate the size of. The research page clearly indicates that the reader is to decide for themselves what the results mean, and that like most science fiction shows, the effects are not suited to this kind of scrutiny. Firepower of the Mercury class is far greater than on older classes. Considering the population of the colonies was supposed to be about 25 billion people, that's not many vipers to defend the human race. As someone who has spent years studying the filming model, and has designed and helped to build a very precise replica of it that is currently on display at the EMPSFM Science Fiction Museum in Seattle, Washington (see External Links section), I know these openings were 1/4 inch in diameter. http://forum.gateworld.net/threads/41166-How-many-Battlestars-were-... 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What is more, these measurements appear consistent with the overall size of the Viper launch tubes (calculated at some 16ft (5m) in diameter, based on the wingspan of the full-size mock-up and images of Vipers being launched). After the attacks only around 7 Battlestars are known to have Suvived. There would be no need really to mothball space craft. That's why. So far as I can tell from the research I've done, there were supposed to be about 120 in the re-imagined series, and maybe 70 at the high point in the original series. Likewise, a Raider overflying a Viper, while not a truly accurate means of measurement, does in fact set the largest dimensions the Raider could possibly be and is therefore useful in the research in demonstrating how the blueprint dimensions did not correspond with the on-screen evidence, at least in that shot. External links. They did have the resources on 12 colonial planets, not counting moons and astroid fields. CELEBRATING 21 YEARS-JULY 1, 2021- KEEPING THE FAITH ALIVE... OFFICIAL MICHAEL HOGAN GoFundMe FUNDRAISING LINK RUN BY SUSAN HOGAN AND FRIENDS, ( FLEET IS FAMILY INITIATIVE- BATTLESTARARCHIVE- BATTLESTAR WIKI- SPACE PARENTS- GALACTIKFRAK ). Powered by, Badges  |  That seems to go with the theme of the cycle of time portrayed in the series. Between 1978 and 1981, episodes were edited into three feature-length films. Another thing to consider is that in the real world a carrier doesn’t move without its fleet a minimum of 2 screening destroyers or frigates, one aegis cruiser, and sometimes  one attack sub. More battlestars though, would have allowed more time to “adapt” after discovering what was going on. The blue space navy would have some FLT capable ships but they would mostly be large cargo ships that would take fighter and the like from one system to another and would not be able to combat launch said fighters. [3] However, Glen A. Larson has stated that there was never any decision to have a specific number of battlestars, nor did the Original Series state that only twelve battlestars were built. Complete with 120 vipers with the Mercury class. Also, I caught the "black space navy" stuff! Success leads to complacency and decadence, followed by destruction, and then…hopefully recovery and restoration. Later it looks like there were ten per planet/colony, and thus a total of about 120. The model was built from various parts from hundreds of cannibalized plastic model kits, such as those from mini-scaled battleships, land vehicles and planes from the World War II era, to the point that "the crew had the feeling that, if it hadn't been for World War II, Galactica (the model) would not have been possible". The Galactica Type Battlestars was the most famous series of battlestar across the Colonies. Given the length of the Thousand-Yahren War, i… Of these the first Columbia was destroyed during Operation Raptor Talon at the close of the First Cylon war. The numbers don't necessarily tell us anything about the size of the colonial fleet. - posted in Open Topic: A Battlestar is a big ship (1 mile) loaded with lots of batteries, main cannons, and nukes. My theory is that they feared the battlestars would be overpowered, and severely over-nerfed them. “Eternal Vigilance.”. Skip to content. Interviews with series creator Glen A. Larson and John Dykstra, the Visual Effects supervisor for the Original Series stated that the original Galactica was around a mile (1.6km) long. In undertaking his work, Boyce utilised an established baseline for his calculations: the full-size mock-up of a Viper built for filming purposes. Black space / blue space is the logical sci-fi adaption of blue navy/brown navy and has nothing to do with skin color. "Get Ready For... BATTLE STAR "GALACTICA"". There were many events leading up to the birth of Star Convoy and many more events taking place after this adventure. The 1st through 4th Fleets may have dated from the days when there were enough battlestars to have multiple battlestars in a fleet. During the war, many Battlestars were destroyed. How Many Battlestars are needed to take out a Star Destroyer? “All of this has happened before, and will happen again…” In the end though, I guess it really doesn’t matter anyway…The Cylon’s cyber attack did its job, no matter how many battlestars you had up and running at the time. The United States maintains a total of 10 in active service therefore it would make sense that there would be at least 10 per Planet for minimum total of 120. [4], Myth of the Twelve Battlestars (Original Series), The Costume Department at New West has indicated that three further battlestars may have been referenced had the show been renewed: the. By the time you get to Cimtar, most if not all the fleets would have consisted of a single battlestar with a number of smaller vessels. Considering that there were about 25 billion people on 12 planets, there should have been AT LEAST that many...Personally if I were trying to defend planets from a real enemy, I would be shooting for 100-1000 per planet...Not at all unreasonable considering the large populations and nearly unlimited resources. Meyers, Richard (August 1978). They were laid down in the early days of the First Cylon War. The other Battlestars of the Galactica class were later upgraded with networked computers but the Galactica herself remained without networked systems. Anything smaller would clip the wings of the Vipers. This appeared to be supported by Encyclopedia Galactica, a non-canonical publication released in 1979. The ship model for Galactica was 6 feet in length and weighed 60 pounds. There are many differing claims to the actual size of the original battlestars, ranging from some 2,000 feet[4] (the accepted length in a number of gaming systems) through to 2-3 miles in overall length. The Mercury class Battlestars were the top of the line class before the Fall of the Twelve Colonies. In fact, the tubes scale out to 20 feet in diameter. Eight Battlestars were seen or mentioned by name during the TV series. The Type was continually upgraded and modified over the years, and several were still in service until the Fall of the Twelve Colonies. Don't forget there are pipes, bulkheads, and other details inside the round tubes that require clearance as well. TO DONATE, PLEASE CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW: " JOIN THE FIGHT! Consider the fact that to protect an entire planet from a surprise attack with the FTL jump hit and run technology and tactics of the time…You would need a good screen of ships around the planet to protect from such attacks that could come from any direction. My views is this a brown navy is now called blue, because the operational range of that navy is that of a star system that has a planet that has nitrogen oxygen atmosphere and thus the sky is blue. "ONE OF THE OLDEST IF NOT ALREADY THE OLDEST ORGANIZATION FOR BATTLESTAR GALACTICA", "There are those who believe that life here began out there, far across the universe, with tribes of humans who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians, or the Toltecs, or the Mayans. Out of about 120 battlestars (Kara Thrace described a loss of thirty as being "almost a quarter of the fleet"), relatively few are known. Sure, Galactica is currently the lead ship in Battlestar Group 75, but it may have been a component of BSG 17, BSG 25, BSG 38, etc at various points in time. The first battlestars were introduced into Colonial forces around 500 yahren into the war, and proved formidable when placed against the technically-superior Cylon basestars. So,it IS possible to mass produce such ships, especially if one really puts their mind and resources to it in a assembly line fashion. In the series, the Twelve Colonies built approximately 120 Battlestars during their thousand-year war with the Cylons, whose own battleships are known as Basestars . You would also need some fleets to patrol the space between the planets and carefully watch the armistice line with the Cylons. However, there is no confirmation available that 1/960 (1 inch = 80ft) was in fact the scale of the model, and the figures have thus been "back engineered" to fit the case. I just made it up so it's head canon now. On the original they all seemed to be the same design. Also to consider...the USA alone made huge fleets of warships during WWII. After the attacks only around 7 Battlestars are known to have Suvived. :o), The more I think about it, it would seem that there really should have been more than just ten per planet. Note: There is no class given for the Galactica and since fan seem to disagree on a Class name it will be call the Galactica Type. Oh well...I guess we won't know until we return to retake our homeland! Shop; Electric Kettle; Electric Bottle; Mug Warmer; Privacy Policy; Cart; Checkout; Contact Us; My account; Privacy Policy; Shop 1. Also...Hmmmmm...I was wondering what the Cylons did with all of those BIG base stars from the original series...They were bigger than even the Pegasus in the re-imagined series. Anyway, HOPEFULLY we will have learned our lesson and not let our guard down again after we regain our homeland…By now much of the radiation should have subsided to the point that the planets can again be colonized…if not, we can re-establish our selves in other colonies throughout the galaxy. JOIN THE FLEET IS FAMILY INITIATIVE - BATTLESTARARCHIVE- BATTLESTARWIKI- SPACEPARENTS- GALACTIKFRAK" IN SUPPORT OF MICHAEL HOGAN RECOVERY. However, in the years of and after the Cylon War, an additional 120 battlestars of various classes were built in that continuity. How Many Battlestars Were There? One is destroyed during Operation Raptor Talon , and the second is … :o), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_(fictional_spaceship). Don’t forget about the required logistical ships. Mind you, we don't know how the NUMBERING system works; i.e. Badly crippled while destroying the Cylon colony, Galactica and its fleet were piloted into the Sun after the survivors landed on Earth. there were 120 Battlestars before the attack, so who knows how many were in a "group" (i.e. money necessary to replace battlestars that were destroyed. © 2020   Created by DragonLady4732. During the series' run, only eight battlestars are seen or mentioned. As BSG was made in light of Star Wars there is the possibility that it's size was intended to be the same as a Stardestoyer (1.5 km). The eight battlestars[1] specifically mentioned in the Original Series are: Within fan circles, it has generally been assumed there were twelve original battlestars, given the number of Colonies. Some believe that there may yet be brothers of man who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the heavens.". However, in using these figures, it should be noted that: Note: As Boyce used the mock-up Viper he made a fatal assumption of it being exactly in scale with the actual on screen SFX model. The first film, Battlestar Galactica, was an edited version of the pilot, "Saga of a Star World", featuring some differences from the original televised episodes, including the death of Baltar. Founded during the Cylon War, where the military forces of each of the Twelve Worlds were integrated under a new federation, the primary role of the Colonial Fleet in peace time was as a deterrent to any Cylon invasion. https://en.battlestarwikiclone.org/w/index.php?title=Battlestar_(TOS)&oldid=352, Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike, This page (like all pages on this wiki) was, 15 x laser batteries, 12 x Solonite air-to-air missiles, 1 x Heavy Mega Pulsar Cannons, 75 Viper fighters, 12 Landram armoured ground vehicles, Six unarmed shuttlecraft, (approx): 1,672ft (510m) (flight pod to flight pod), They are initially based on assumed data: a shot of a Cylon Raider apparently "overflying" a Colonial Viper. By the time of the Fall of the Twelve Colonies, the Colonial Fleet had approximately 120 Battlestars in service, divided into several Divisions and Battlestar Groups. These figures would yield launch tubes between some 50ft (15m) and 82ft (25m) in diameter - which is clearly not supported by film of Viper launches. They were heavily engaged in the war, and only three of the original twelve survived to see the armistice signed, ending the war. That would allow for more convenient refueling and more timely responce once an enemy attack was detected. The Earth like planets would have Space Stations as well as ground launched fighters capable of near planetary space flight. If the scale of the master model used for filming was set at 1/960, then the overall length of Galactica and her sister ships would be some 6,080ft (1,853m) - or one nautical mile. They don't rust in outer space, though cosmic rays may be a factor. So, I'm not quite sure how you could work it out if the ship were to be substantially smaller. ALSO...I'm SURE some were mothballed or on patrol or exploring the universe, so there HAD to be others that survived but never hooked up with the Galactica fleet...Thus...SURELY there are other Colonists hidden away in astroid fields, moons, remote and hostile planets, etc., secretly building and propagating, and waiting for the chance and opportunity to retake the homelands! Those are the canon-canon battlestars, but there are eight other worlds. Agreed, and if war with the Cylons remained a possibility after the armistice, I would THINK they would have shot for many more. Yes. The Class are listing in orders of how the Colonial built them. However, no vertical separation distance between the two can be calculated, leading to a completely arbitrary figure (39ft/12m) for the wingspan of the Raider. Given this degree of similarity in final calculations, these figures have been adopted here as the probable dimensions of the Original Series battlestars. Having drawn the studio miniature in precise detail, including in 3D, I determined that a 27-28 foot Viper fits inside the tubes quite nicely if the studio model scales out to one nautical mile in length. Thus: using film footage alone, Boyce was able to determine the length of Galactica to be some 4,143ft (1,263m), while use of a scale model produced a figure of some 4,166ft (1,270m): an acceptable difference of some 23ft (7m). Granted, there would have been land based squadrons of fighters-vipers and atmospheric fighters, etc. The studio model is longer in proportion, but it is not necessarily taller or wider (which a second line of research investigated). I had that very same thought...whose to say that a small group of battlestars didnt do wut cmdr. Battlestars are warships built in direct response to the generational war with the Cylons. I do remember hearing the number of 70 at one time too, but I have no idea what episode that was on, or if it was original or re-imagined BSG. (It should be noted that Dykstra admitted that "[e]verything has to be exaggerated and the fill ratio of the screen has to be higher".[4]). Within fan circles, it has generally been assumed there were twelve original battlestars, given the number of Colonies. In the original series, only the small fleet of about 7 or so remained at the time of the attack, and then only the Galactica and Pegasus escaped. In fact, in vacuum, these arc battlestars could carry out artillery bombardment from tens of thousands of kilometers away. Battlestar Galactica Engineering and Technology, Back to Battlestar Galactica Engineering and Technology Discussions, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_(fictional_spaceship, Columbia (two battlestars bearing this name are known to have existed), Vortex (seen on a report given by Dualla to Gaeta during the attack), Uned (seen on a report given by Dualla to Gaeta during the attack), Erasmus (seen on a report on Adama's desk when searching for a new CAG), Night Flight (seen on a report on Adama's desk when searching for a new CAG). There. It doesn't necessarily mean there have been at least 75 Battlestars built. ", Originally 12, one per planet. Of these, five were known to have survived by the time the original movie took place. However, Glen A. Larson has stated that there was never any decision to have a specific number of battlestars, nor did the Original Series state that only twelve battlestars were built. 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